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June 07[edit]

Whats the easiest way to find all the files in BOTH two sets of subcategories and add them to a third category[edit]

Hi all

I'm running a competition as part of Wiki Loves Earth and need to find all the files which appear in BOTH a subcategory of CATEGORY A and in a subcategory of CATEGORY B, I know that this is probably possible through some kind of search query in CirrusSearch, but can't work out how to do it, any suggestions? Also bonus points is you can suggest a simple way of adding all the files which appear in this search result to a third category (I expect I'll have to do it manually..... If its possible to do this easily by bot here are the searches I want to run and the additional category I want to add:

Show files that appear in a subcategory of Category:Geoparks AND in a subcategory of Category:Wiki Loves Earth 2018. I want to add these images to Category:Images from Wiki Loves Earth Biosphere Reserves and UNESCO Global Geoparks 2018‎

I also want to do the same for Biosphere Reserves as well as Geoparks so:

Show files that appear in a subcategory of Category:Biosphere reserves AND in a subcategory of Category:Wiki Loves Earth 2018. I want to add these images to Category:Images from Wiki Loves Earth Biosphere Reserves and UNESCO Global Geoparks 2018‎

If there's no simple way of adding them automatically I'm happy to spend a few hours doing it manually


John Cummings (talk) 18:14, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Thanks very much Jmabel, so I deepcat:"Geoparks" deepcat:"Wiki Loves Earth 2018" which should give me exactly what I need but it gives "Deep category query returned too many categories" :(. I'll try to work out how to use the template today. John Cummings (talk) 09:20, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Ah.... it looks like the template won't do enough levels of subcategory and the bot has been shut down because of some technical change :( I'll have to find some alternatives.... I know I managed to find a way to do it last year but can't for the life of me work out what I did (or who did it for me if it was a bot thing). John Cummings (talk) 09:32, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Mike Peel:, amazing, thanks so much :) Let me know if there's anything I can swap you for. John Cummings (talk) 11:22, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: so is there anything that should change about Template:Intersect categories? Because it explicitly mentions User talk:CategorizationBot. - Jmabel ! talk 16:16, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Jmabel: Hmm ... This was a specific bit of code that I wrote for WLE/biosphere (it's actually a precurser for the first category walker I used for the infobox deployment), and it currently has to be run manually to generate the list, which is then manually checked passed to another script to add the categories. The bot request above was for the process of adding the new category rather than anything else. That said, if this is something that there is demand for, then I could look into expanding it into something more general. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:11, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
  • There might be a demand; I guess what I was more driving at is:
    1. I gather from what John said above that User talk:CategorizationBot is no longer running, so at the very least the template probably should not refer to that bot.
    2. If someone now uses Template:Intersect categories, will any bot follow up and take the action, or will it just sit there indefinitely? - Jmabel ! talk 20:05, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
@John Cummings: A combination of Petscan, a gallery page in the user name space and VisualFileChange should do the trick. I'm just not sure about how many category layers we are talking here. Going seven levels deep gave me roughly 3700 files, which fall into either cut set and don't have Images from Wiki Loves Earth Biosphere Reserves and UNESCO Global Geoparks 2018 yet (petscan could deal with more depth in my test). I created a gallery page in my user namespace (User:MB-one/WLE18_maintenance). Now, using VisualFileChange, we can append [[Category:Images from Wiki Loves Earth Biosphere Reserves and UNESCO Global Geoparks 2018]] to each of those files, without too many clicks. Does that help? --MB-one (talk) 18:12, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks so much @MB-one:, I know @Mike Peel: has also been working on this, I'll let you both decide which is the best way forward. Looking at the images they all look reasonable and I looked at around 20 and couldn't find any errors in the selection, my guess is a few more layers of subcategory probably wouldn't hurt. I think the easiest way to do this is if {{Wiki Loves Earth 2018|unesco}} could be added each image, that way it will look nice and also add the category I need to be able to do the judging. If I can swap either of you for a non technical task (e.g writing a piece of documentation) please let me know.
Thanks again
John Cummings (talk) 19:38, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
@MB-one, John Cummings: So, now I'm confused. Going through Category:Wiki Loves Earth 2018 to a depth of 3 (91675 files) then Category:Geoparks to a depth of 10 (121647 files) yields 554 files in common, which are listed at User:Mike Peel/WLE18. That's quite different from 3700 - or does that count include the biosphere reserves? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
@Mike Peel, John Cummings: sorry for the confusion. Yes, the 3.7k files include both Geoparks AND Biosphere Reserves. Also I made a spelling mistake. The "could deal" should have spelled "couldn't deal" in the first place. But I doodled around a bit and found a way to make 11 levels work (4007 files, With your permission, I can append {{Wiki Loves Earth 2018|unesco}} to each of those files. --MB-one (talk) 08:11, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
@MB-one:, amazing, thanks, yes, please add the template :) John Cummings (talk) 09:35, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm wondering about this simple solution. But it might be much better to have only one template like {{Wiki Loves Earth 2018|de|unesco}}. --XRay talk 13:59, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@MB-one: thanks so much for making this happen, I'll be using it tomorrow :) John Cummings (talk) 18:41, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@MB-one, John Cummings: Sorry, I'm one of the organizers of WLE Spain 2018. As part of this thread, we've found that some hundreds of images uploaded as part of such contest, now show a misleading template that suggests that the images were uploaded as part of another contest (this WLE UNESCO stuff). As that's wrong, I'm going to remove the template. Let me know whether you want me to manually add Category:Images from Wiki Loves Earth Biosphere Reserves and UNESCO Global Geoparks 2018 (a bot will do it). Thanks for your understanding --Discasto talk 08:44, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
@Discasto:, can you tell me why you think the template is misleading? Could you suggest a change to the template that would resolve the issue without removing it? This would allow us to save a lot of effort and avoid the problem happening again.
If you do decide to remove the template yes please add the category, the images are eligible for the UNESCO competition and the category means that they can be included. Thanks, John Cummings (talk) 11:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

The images were uploaded as part of the Spanish edition of WLE. It's pretty clear. They were not uploaded as part of your contest. In fact, and according to your own rules, they wouldn't be even eligible as they were uploaded in May. If you feel your template is necessary, feel free to include it after the original one. I have no objection to that. --Discasto talk 12:40, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks @Discasto:, do you know of an easy way to change the order of the templates on these pages so yours appears first? John Cummings (talk) 13:35, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@John Cummings: I can "bot" it. --Discasto talk 15:03, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@Discasto:, great. John Cummings (talk) 15:17, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

✓Done But please, talk to the responsibles of each local contest before muddling their contributions. Best regards --Discasto talk 22:20, 15 August 2018 (UTC) PS: as an aside, I can tell you that there's possibly more images that could be elegible for the Unesco contest, but it would require a proper definition of the involved categories. WLE in Spain is based on Natura 2000 sites of community importance. Biosphere Reserves and UNESCO Geoparks involve usualy tens of such sites and not all the reserves and geoparks are currently categorizing the corresponding sites of community importance.

August 06[edit]


Has anyone noticed the number of commercial Logos that are appearing on Wikimedia? I appreciate that it not as simple as delete then all but most are out of scope and many are copyright violations. Part of the problem is the assumption by uploaders that they need Wikimedia entry to display their logo in Wikipedia. As I understand it, you can use “non Free” logos in Wikipedia provided they are low resolution and in context where they are considered “fair use” . However fair use cannot be applied to Wikimedia.

Furthermore some of them are “cross-wiki uploads” which suggests an option has been selected on upload to Wikipedia to automatically upload to Wikimedia. I suspect this has been done in all innocence by uploaders not realising the difference in rules.

I suspect also that most corporate lawyers would be horrified to find the corporate logo licenced under a CC-BY-SA licence!

Is there any way we can point the perils of putting Logos on Wikimedia - a sort of “are you sure you want to do this type statement. Any thoughts?--Headlock0225 (talk) 12:51, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Keep in mind, that copyright and trademark are quite different. It is quite possible to have one's logo copyrighted under a free licence or even be public domain and yet the trademark protection will be sufficient for those most corporate lawyers. But you are correct, sometimes people think that something they found on the internet is "free" because they didn't have to pay to download it, thus if the logo is unfree it should be deleted here. And finally, not all Wikimedia projects accept fair use, some wikipedias do, others don't. ℺ Gone Postal ( ) 13:24, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
thanks Gone_Postal. Although sone may well be deliberate, I suspect the majority are here by accident or misunderstanding. I have some sympathy for the person trying to create a Wikipedia page for his/her company or brand. It naturally needs a logo. If it stayed on Wikipedia (alright most Wikipedias!)it wouldn’t be a problem but Wikipedia users are encouraged to put images on Wikimedia. I think there should be a warning somewhere for Logos. Perhaps it an issue for Wikipedia village pump (do they have one?) --Headlock0225 (talk) 18:48, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
There are warnings here on Commons, e.g. {{Trademarked}}. And afaik Fair Use is exclusive to --MB-one (talk) 08:18, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
@MB-one: Re "exclusive", please see m:nfc.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:39, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
@Headlock0225: English Wikipedia's 14-year-old Village pump is at en:WP:VP.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 12:43, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Overwriting a file to remove a de minimis element[edit]

File:Donald Trump alt-right supporter (32452974604).jpg has been modified to remove the Pepe the Frog character. The character was considered de minimis in its first deletion request. However, this seems to remove a huge amount of context from the image. Would I be correct in thinking that this violates COM:OVERWRITE? 93 (talk) 05:44, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

If the character is contextually important enough for a removal to violate COM:OVERWRITE then is it actually de minimis? --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:13, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
DM or not, blanking a portion of the image seems like it should warrant a new version instead of presenting it as the original. 93 (talk) 17:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
It's a very bad idea to create a new version in this case. We want to keep the history, but can only really present the blurred version, the original is there only as the history and can be reverted a hundred or so years in the future. Overwriting was the correct way to do that. ℺ Gone Postal ( ) 03:25, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
it's de minimis, but by all means keep censoring the protest signs, the problem with your editing or rev-diving, is is makes it hard to keep provenance. and you are imposing your own ego judgement over consensus. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 02:19, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Structured Data - Depicts statements draft is up[edit]


There is a presentation posted on the first draft specifications for using Wikidata depicts statements on Commons. Please visit the Get Involved page for the presentation and to leave feedback. These statements are an early feature of the Structured Data project, you can expect to see them live on the wiki sometime early next year so your input at this early stage is very valuable. Thank you for your time, see you on the talk page. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:26, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

  • I read it through. It adds to the fascinating case of how a heavily promoted and funded feature still cannot, after half a dozen years, even grasp the coarser aspects of Commons curation. It is, paradoxally, a very wiki thing, though: On one hand, a volonteer community, in an organic and unguided way, develops and keeps improving a mechanism that works, while on the other hand a top-down, hamfisted approach, only nominally guided by collaboration ideals, attains laughingly modest results while trying to tackle the same data for the same curation purposes. Between a Rube Goldberg contraption that works and vaporware that does nothing but fog, I chose the first. -- Tuválkin 00:22, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
thanks for the report. Rube Goldberg does not scale, and the volunteer overhead is "soul crushing"; there is more ware than vapor there; i prefer the latter. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 16:47, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Yes, it does. And no, it’s not. Is there? Good for you — how do they like your capitalization over there? -- Tuválkin 01:59, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
(or lack thereof)   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 13:24, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

August 11[edit]


At Commons:Administrators'_noticeboard/User_problems/Archive_70#ديفيد_عادل_وهبة_خليل_2 you can see how fellow user @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2: feels free to add Category:Child marriage to obviously unrelated photos of little girls and no Administrator feel they need to step in before the subject gets automaticly archived. Maybe the community at large wants to say something, or at least be warned. -- Tuválkin 00:08, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Looks like two people disagreeing about the categorisation of the image. When I looked at the image the first thought was 'child marriage' as well, but that is probably because I read this post first. I agree that it can be either a bride or a bridesmaid, and either categorisation was contentious. Perhaps it could be categorised as both to avoid edit war, somewhat like people insist on incorrectly adding Category:Vegetables by common name to Category:Tomatoes and nobody just wants to start fighting with them. ℺ Gone Postal ( ) 03:40, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Well, if these were about tomatoes, proper categorization would still be important. However in this case, what’s at stake is more than mere accuracy in categorization (and I do consider accuracy in categorization to be very important in Commons): This is about personality rights, compounded by these being of a minor. Obviously great care should be excercised when classifying media of identifiable minors into something as problematic as Category:Child marriage.
There’s no overstressing of this, and I am appalled at both the repeated emmerging of more users who don’t have a clue about this and the deafening silence of the admin community, usually so swift to asperse admonishings for much lesser matters. -- Tuválkin 16:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

«Please delete»?[edit]

Since the original categories are not acceptable, please delete the images ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 09:05, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2:, the thing is that the image is either educational or not and either free or not. In some very rare situations, when somebody uploads by mistake files do get deleted if somebody asks right away, but now more than a year has passed (uploaded here on ). Tuvalkin's response was completely disproportionate, you have twice categorised the image that you have spent time transferring to this project and that was labelled as you "insisting" on such categorisation. It is a shame that no admin felt free to step in to stop such anti-social behaviour, even though it occurred on the administrators' noticeboard (so they either ignored or tacitly supported it... at least they didn't join it I guess). But, even though you were in the right before, please consider that this project attempts to collect educational material for all categories, not only the one you were trying to populate, as such you can just leave that image as is and simply move on making other contributions. If you want to help others to categorise their uploads, I am sure they would be thankful. Alternatively, if you feel that this file is of high enough quality, that is essential to keep it in the correct category, you can start a discussion on File talk:Little girl wearing a white wedding dress 3.jpg or Category talk:Child marriage. ℺ Gone Postal ( ) 12:10, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
@Gone Postal: I uploaded it to be in a category that is not accepted by other users so delete them better than keep them and leave them to cause problems (Edit wars annoying and edits for the uploader or an annoying category for others) ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 12:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2: Often the goal of such behaviour is to get some sort of validation from others. By demanding deletion you will only make yourself look bad in this situation. ℺ Gone Postal ( ) 12:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
@Gone Postal: I do not upload the pictures for others to check and change their contents but to benefit from them as they are and if they are kept, I will be very bad (from the point of view of others) because of the problems mentioned above and block requests will be repeated ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 13:00, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2: Image that you have uploaded is licenced under a free licence. All the text that you put on Wikimedia Commons is also placed under the free licence. When you edit any page it says the following: "By saving changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 Licence and the GFDL. You agree that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons licence." It takes a long time to explain different licences, but all the free ones allow modification for any purpose. So yes, if you do not wish for the description to ever be changed, you should not place any file or text on this project. ℺ Gone Postal ( ) 13:07, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
@Gone Postal: Yes I know, therefore, these files should be deleted because edits are always unacceptable ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 13:11, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Editing problems[edit]

I have created categories and uploaded images for many years without any problems and in the last two weeks I am suddenly having odd problems. When I create a category by putting CategoryːX in the search box I get an option to create the page but it is created as a gallery page and I have to use move to change it to a category. When I put in double square brackets they are autoconverted to "ʽ". ~~~~ is autoconverted to " ̴̴" I can get round the autoconvert problems by inserting symbols using the bar below, but not being able to create categories is an irritating problem. Does anyone have any idea what is going on? Dudley Miles (talk) 20:01, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Turn off VisualEditor, maybe? -- Tuválkin 17:05, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks but that does not help. It is very strange, as if it is a bug which has changed editing to a different character set, but only in Commons. Typing a colon to indent does not work, but copying a colon in a Commons page does. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
i had a problem in the edit toolbar. there is a "syntax highlighting" button that toggles on and off. (pencil icon next to advanced menu button) please check that, it changes characters as well. they keep tweaking menus and code, so that the editing code changes, very abrupt and astonishing Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 13:02, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks but that makes no difference. It is a peculiar and very irritating problem. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:28, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I am not sure whether I have solved the problem by changing the character set to Scandinavian and then back again to Standard. I can now type the double square brackets and four tildes, but the editing screen looks different with most of the text in blue. Dudley Miles (talk) 08:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

File:Heather Brooke May 12.jpg[edit]

Both File:Heather Brooke May 12.jpg and the derivative File:Heather Brooke, 2012 (cropped).jpg are tagged by the uploader, the photographer, as {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}. Despite this, both have been recently tagged {{No permission since}}. I removed the latter, with explanatory edits summaries, but have been reverted by User:Ruthven, who also left a charmless standard template on my talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

What did Ruthven say when you asked about it on their talk page? Or did you come straight here without trying to discuss it first? World's Lamest Critic (talk) 22:34, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
the same thing that the uploader said, when she talked with them on their talk. the summary process by template originates with the admins; it is not a double standard for the not admins. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 01:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Like I said, I gave explanatory edit summaries. These were ignored. Do you think these files should be deleted? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Uploader name matches photographer name, {{self}} tag, similar high quality uploads, and appropriate metadata. What evidence does Ruthven have to suggest this isn’t the uploader’s own work as claimed? clpo13(talk) 22:55, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
As far as I can see, there's no reason to delete the images. Maybe Ruthven knows something I don't, but I suspect this is just a misunderstanding. I'm not sure why this needs to be discussed here at all when it probably could have been settled on their talk page simply by asking for clarification. World's Lamest Critic (talk) 03:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Ok guys, problem solved! It was simply a scrolling issue, so the uploaded appeared to me to be Pigsonthewing instead of the author. As a side note, I've to say that replying in an edit comment is not the most visible way to comunicate, even just because the lenght of the sentence allowed. --Ruthven (msg) 07:23, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
As anyone can see, my edit summary when I removed the {{No permission since}} tag on the parent image was "clearly marked {{self|cc-by-sa-3.0}} by the photographer)". You reverted me with no regard for that, and no edit summary. The uploader in both cases is clearly not me. Your actions and responses ("a scrolling issue" - really?!?) call into question your competence to be making such edits. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
the larger problem is the over-use of "license needed" tag, without interacting with the uploader about what the license concerns are. it is a sword of damocles; it is not a professional standard of practice; it is pernicious and undermines the credibility of commons. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 12:32, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Can't locate source of image[edit]

I am unable to locate the ultimate source of this scanned image by Johannes Itten, and thus do not know if it was created earlier than 1923, or is in the public domain for some other reason. Is there a better search engine than Google for this purpose? Thanks. SharkD  Talk  14:42, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

In the "The copyright has definitely expired in the USA" section of the upload page, which option do I choose? There is an "First published in the United States before 1923" option, but I don't know if it was ever published in the United States. Thanks. SharkD  Talk  15:29, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
So why are you confident that it is in the public domain in the United States? - Jmabel ! talk 15:36, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
The Flickr page actually says 1919-1920, which would put it before 1923. SharkD  Talk  15:47, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Images on the Commons must be free in both the US and their country of origin, if different. Johannes Itten was Swiss and the writing in the image is in German (i.e., no reason to believe it was first published in an English-speaking country, the US). Switzerland is pma +70, so this would not be PD there until 01.01.2038 (1967 + 70). We cannot host the image. Эlcobbola talk 15:48, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Interesting, thanks. SharkD  Talk  16:02, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
According to w:Johannes Itten, he was living and working in Germany at the time the drawings were made. Does that make a difference? SharkD  Talk  16:12, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Copyright laws are roughly the same in Germany. SharkD  Talk  16:16, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) No, Germany is also pma + 70. A possible way forward: unlike the Commons, only requires a work be free in the US. You could upload the image locally there with the pre-1923 publication rationale and include the {{Do not move to Commons|reason=USonly}} template. Эlcobbola talk 16:21, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
That works, thanks. SharkD  Talk  17:04, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Tech News: 2018-33[edit]

17:52, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

August 15[edit]

Uploaded photos of Jack Katz and Tony Vella[edit]

I recently uploaded two new photos. The first photo is of artist Jack Katz. In the upper-left corner of the photo, part of an artistic work on a white background is visible. From what I can tell, the artistic work is not the subject of the photo and the portion shown (which appears to be part of the lower-right section of the work) is not all that large. The question is whether the inclusion of the portion of the work is de minimis in the case of the uploaded photo.

The second photo is of stuntman Tony Vella. The photo was taken in the outside area of a hotel, not far from an indoor area where a public event was taking place. The hotel is located in the US. In the photo, Mr. Vella is posing against an outdoor pillar. I am assuming that there should not be any issues with copyrighted architecture in the case of this second photo, though my thought is to ask here as well. --Gazebo (talk) 07:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Both photographs should be ok. --MB-one (talk) 07:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Linux users: See what files you have uploaded already, in your file browser[edit]

I made a tool for Nautilus/Nemo/Caja that adds a small overlay emblem at the lower right of the thumbnail of files you have uploaded to Commons already.

It allows you to easily spot what files you have forgotten to upload.

Warning: It works well, except it is super slow. It takes about one second per image, so if you have a folder with 1000 images it will look like your file explorer has frozen. Volunteers welcome to solve this problem! :-)

Syced (talk) 07:40, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you creating a useful app like this for Linux. Hopefully a fellow Linux user with Python programming skills, will spot this post, and take up your invitation to help out. --oSeveno (talk) 09:18, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

SVG Translate Community wishlist survey project[edit]

Hello all. The Community Tech team in the Wikimedia Foundation is beginning to start their work on the SVG Translate project that was proposed in the 2017 Wishlist survey. If you are interested in being involved in the project, you can watch the project page and join in the discussions on the talk page. If you’d be interested in getting periodic notifications about the project and our team's work, you can also choose to subscribe to our team newsletter. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and learning from your experiences. Thank you. -- NKohli (WMF) (talk) 22:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Request for assistance with public domain Mauthausen photo[edit]

Moved from Commons talk:Village pump - Jmabel ! talk 23:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi. I'm not quite sure where to post this request for help (and my apologies if this isn't the correct place, but I'm still trying to figure out all of the workings of Commons). I just received a notice that a photo that I'd posted had been removed by Commons editor (but no discussion happened beforehand, and no clear explanation was given at to why this action was taken). The photo itself is in the public domain because it was taken at the Mauthausen concentration camp by a U.S. soldier on behalf of the U.S. Army's Signal Corps on May 8, 1945 (so it fits the definition of public domain photos taken by a member of the U.S. government). Additionally, the photo is part of the public domain collections of the U.S. National Archives (also a U.S. government agency). A day or so after I originally posted the photo, someone tagged it with a notation indicating that it wasn't sourced. (It was. I clearly noted on the source and author fields when posting the image that the photo was produced by the U.S. Army's Signal Corps, is part of the U.S. National Archives' collections, and is in the public domain.) A second Commons editor, a day or so later, then also tagged the photo as being unsourced, which is not correct. (Neither of these users tried to reach out to me beforehand, and neither provided any explanation on the photo's talk page.) A third Commons editor then deleted the photo today - also without contacting me beforehand, and also without providing any explanation on the talk page. The only thing I've been able to find for information are the public logs here. I'd appreciate it if someone can restore the photo (or can explain what the problem is with posting this public domain image). If I need to post this help request elsewhere, I'd appreciate it if someone can provide guidance as to where I can get help. Thank you in advance for your response. Kind regards. 47thPennVols (talk) 18:02, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Pinging @Elisfkc.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 18:42, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@47thPennVols: Sorry about not getting back to you right away, I have been rather busy the past couple of days. As far as the source goes, I had an issue with it originally because I had thought that there was no way to verify it. I was wrong on this. The file also should not have been deleted until 7 days after the no source template was added (pinging @Jcb for explanation). If you want to open an undeletion request, I would gladly support it. Also, in the future, you can use the {{NARA-image}} template for images from the National Archives, while adding the correct identifier. This way, there is an easy way for anyone to track down the image and proof of its license. Elisfkc (talk) 22:10, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
If a no source tag is removed by the uploader, I tend to delete the file at once. We are not going to babysit a problem tag. It's very disruptive if uploaders remove those tags, because there is a high risk that the file will remain online unnoticed, without the problem being solved. Jcb (talk) 22:15, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Elisfkc: @Jeff G.: Now, I'm really confused. Just as I was starting to post my response to Elisfkc (see paragraph below), @Jcb: jumped in with the response above, which seems to contradict what Elisfkc wrote. For reference, here was my original response to Elisfkc that was pre-empted by an edit conflict when Jcb responded at the same time that I was trying to respond:
"@Elisfkc: Many thanks for your response. I'm glad to know that there was no problem with the original image after all. (I'm usually very careful about sourcing images - especially those in the public domain, and was genunely worried when the image was deleted.) I appreciate your willingness to help get the image restored. I also want to thank you for the info you provided re: the NARA tag. I hadn't realized this was an available tag. So, I'll definitely use that for photos in the future. Again, many thanks for your response. Kind Regards. 47thPennVols (talk) 22:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)"
Elisfkc has indicated that his deletion of my image was incorrect and done too hastily, and that restoration is appropriate and would be supported, but Jcb seems to be saying that's not going to happen. How do I proceed? (Again, what we're talking about is an image that is clearly in the public domain image; it was produced by a representative of the U.S. government during World War II, and is housed in collections of the U.S. National Archives (NARA). 47thPennVols (talk) 22:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
No, Jcb isn't saying "that's not going to happen". He's saying that he did this because your removal of the tag without providing evidence fit a pattern often used by inexperienced users who think they can game the system, so he went straight to an immediate deletion. In this case, it was a false positive, and you weren't trying to game the system.
Bring this to undeletion request, ping Elisfkc there (write {{ping|Elisfkc}} as part of your undeletion request), and it should all get sorted out correctly. If you know (or can find) the NARA ID, that should speed this up considerably. - Jmabel ! talk 22:56, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

August 16[edit]

Wich Nadar fotografer? round 2[edit]

Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2018/08#Wich_Nadar_fotografer? user:jcb i see that you are admin locking File:Pasteur, Louis (1822-1895) par Paul Nadar.jpg to impose the orignial theory that this image File:Louis Pasteur by M.P. Nadar.jpg pencil notation "proves" that all of these are by Paul Nadar. you realize that by overwriting and conflating multiple prints, you are destroying provenance? what possible excuse is there to impose a metadata conclusion by fiat rather than consensus? Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 15:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, In absence of dates, references or first name, the images should simply be credited to "Nadar", which is also the name of the studio/company. But for this image, I have provided 3 references on its talk page. So this one can be safely credited to Paul Nadar. Category:Photographs of Louis Pasteur by Nadar should probably be renamed, and there seems to be inconsistencies or confusion in the dates (probably between dates of photography and publication dates). Regards, Yann (talk) 15:29, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Yann, you are adding to the confusion. where is the catalog raisone? you realize that Nadar opened his studio before paul nadar was born? who took those photos? why don't you do some basic curation, of reflecting the photo credit as represented by reliable sources? Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 16:00, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, and the son joined his father's studio, and finally took over the company. So for pictures made between around 1876 and 1910, we can't know who is the photographer without a reference. Regards, Yann (talk) 16:08, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Slowking4, you were in an edit war and you were also blanking information fields, something you have been warned for before. Use take page to come to a conclusion. Jcb (talk) 15:31, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Slowking4 is evidently on a mild edit war against Smiley.toerist over {{no source since}}, but where does Jcb see any blanking? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 16:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Ok, if it's too difficult to click to the history page of the involved file, I will rub it under your nose: here. Jcb (talk) 16:08, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Here, Slowking4 removed information. Regards, Yann (talk) 16:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
here is Nadar [3] and here is paul nadar [4]. the Getty is not confused. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 16:16, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it seems you are confused: Pasteur's portrait is clearly credited to the son. Regards, Yann (talk) 16:21, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
no it is clearly credited "Nadar" here is the NYPL image File:Louis Pasteur .jpg, which is a different print from File:Pasteur, Louis (1822-1895) par Paul Nadar.jpg. you need to provide the source where the overwritten file came from. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 16:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
here is an possible source for the overwrite [5] which says " Photographed By Nadar In 1889" Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 16:29, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
It seems you don't even read the talk page where I mentioned references, or what I wrote. Unless you do that, it doesn't seem useful to continue a discussion. Again, this picture is by Paul Nadar, the son, not by Nadar, the father. Regards, Yann (talk) 16:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
i read what you wrote, and i laughed. when i mention it to some GLAM professionals, you will be a laughing stock, and they will want to interact with you even less. Slowking4 § Sander.v.Ginkel's revenge 01:43, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Looking for a rectified map example[edit]

I'm looking for an example of an old map, preferably of my home city, Birmingham, England, that has been rectified using the Wikimaps Warper.

There doesn't seem to be a category for this; can anyone point me at one, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Category:Georeferenced maps in Wikimaps Warper, eg File:Birmingham & Bordesley RJD 7.jpg. (No, I didn't know either) -- though I'm not sure how convinced I am by the current georeferencing on that file -- I thought RJD diagrams were more usually fairly undistorted -- so it could maybe benefit from review/correction. Jheald (talk) 20:46, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Category is under-populated. suggest that in all there are 1155 warped maps on the warper. Jheald (talk) 20:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

August 17[edit]

Natalia Medvedeva[edit]

This picture here is taken in 2011 and the (alleged) subject died in 2003. Something is wrong there. Hektor (talk) 07:22, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


{{Pano360}} is a very useful gadget (2600+ transclusions) that should be well-maintained, but sadly isn't. It's not currently useful for most panoramas because the default setting of the underlying Pannellum code assumes 180x360 degree panoramas, while most 360-degree panoramas on Commons are not 180 degrees vertical (full spherical). Its creator, User:Dschwen, seems to be inactive and does not respond to talk page messages. The Labs page doesn't give any indication where the code is kept.

How would we as a community (and specifically me, though I'm not much of a coder) go about fixing this? If Dschwen does not grant access to the tool and codebase, would we have to build it from scratch? We would also need to fix use of the template on those 2,600 images. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:58, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

It's possible to take over abandoned tools according to wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Abandoned tool policy, if somebody wants to do it. --ghouston (talk) 08:24, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

i18n/translation templates[edit]

I'm not that active, so I'm a bit out of the loop. I noticed a new i18n syntax being used. Could (should?) a template like Template:i18n/inscription be simplified by using {{int:wm-license-artwork-inscriptions}} instead? I.e. replacing the list of (manually updated?) translations on the template page with that simple {{int:... syntax? --Azertus (talk) 10:48, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Which categories?[edit]

Hi, I can't find the appropriate categories for

Is "lampion" the correct English word? BTW do you think it is worth a QI nomination? Thanks, Yann (talk) 11:19, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

  • There is an English word lampion but that sure doesn't look like one to me. At least as I know the word, a lampion would be a glass candle-lantern that you can walk around with. - Jmabel ! talk 16:02, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Double files, different subjects[edit]

Can this bee checked? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 11:57, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

The uploader @Mojmir Churavy: is active and most likely knows this area very well. I've pinged them, but you may wish to ask them directly for assistance in fixing the issue. When there's a resolution, let me know and I'll undertake any technical changes (deletions, moves etc) that are needed. Nick (talk) 13:13, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Comparing with other images I would say that this is rather Jacobi than Morávek. Ankry (talk) 13:31, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Good morning. The file "Vaclav.Moravek.1904-1942.Jako.Gestapak.jpg" is not in use on the Czech Wikipedia. In the text of Václav Morávek in Czech Wiki I made small correction and now I use the file "Walter.Jacobi.(1909 - 1947).after.Second.World.War.gif". Conclusion: It is recomanded to delete the File "Vaclav.Moravek.1904-1942.Jako.Gestapak.jpg" from Commons. I will try to mark the file "Vaclav.Moravek.1904-1942.Jako.Gestapak.jpg" as to "delete" from Commons. Thanks.Mojmir Churavy (talk) 07:03, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

August 18[edit]

Does changing username affect my files?[edit]

If I change my username will my files that I have uploaded on Commons still be able to be claimed by me? I mostly use CC-BY-SA 3.0 and 4.0 on my files. I usually filled in the parameter |author= in the file descriptions with my current username. Can one even change their name on file descriptions and attribution after publishing a file? Sersan Mayor Kururu (talk) 06:11, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

@Sersan Mayor Kururu: The "User" field in the "File history" will change automatically. Your author field's Sersan Mayor Kururu will not change automatically, but will redirect to your new user page when followed. 49 of your uploads can be changed by VFC, AWB, or JWB.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 15:15, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
@Jeff G.: May I change the author field on file descriptions and license template by myself? (Or is it legally not allowed by CC licenses?) Sersan Mayor Kururu (talk) 16:08, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
@Sersan Mayor Kururu: Yes, you are still the same licensor.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 17:00, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
If you have a large amount of files, you may be interested in automatically changing "author=" field using Visual File Change or asking somebody else at Commons:Bots/Work requests to do it for you.--Pere prlpz (talk) 18:04, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Category:Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in art ?[edit]

Hi, artists have created artwork on the Bergen-Belsen (and other) concentration camps and I was wondering if it would be suitable to create a separate category for these images. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 06:39, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Category:Concentration camps in art was created in 2010. Looks sufficient. Vysotsky (talk) 10:06, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh! fijn, bedankt voor de tip Vysotsky, dat maakt het natuurlijk een stuk eenvoudiger. Lotje (talk) 10:57, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Help merging two categories[edit]

Hello! Could anybody help me please move the picture from category:Mount of Saint Catherine to category:Mount Catherine. The new one has a more accurate name. Thanks!--Reem Al-Kashif (talk) 18:03, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

  • I was unable to figure out what you mean. Which picture? ℺ Gone Postal ( ) 18:31, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Best procedure for correcting image title?[edit]

I uploaded an image yesterday, but noticed today that the title, and thus the URL and wikitext, is incorrect. Specifically, "(Temperature Anomaly CO2)" should have been "(Temperature Anomaly ℃)".

Today I uploaded the image again with the correct title. Was that the best way to resolve my initial error? Thanks!

Image with incorrect title: [[File:Scientific consensus - Earth's climate is warming (Temperature Anomaly CO2).png]]

Image uploaded today, with correct title: [[File:Scientific consensus - Earth's climate is warming (Temperature Anomaly ℃).png]] Markworthen (talk) 22:15, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

See Commons:File renaming. The two files you uploaded aren't duplicates, so do you want the first one renamed or deleted? Links for convenience: File:Scientific consensus - Earth's climate is warming (Temperature Anomaly CO2).png vs File:Scientific consensus - Earth's climate is warming (Temperature Anomaly ℃).png. --ghouston (talk) 03:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you very much. :0) Markworthen (talk) 17:47, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

@Markworthen: Why convert from jpg to png? Why not convert to svg?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 03:20, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

I didn’t do any independent converting. I tried SVG before but it was confusing or didn’t work or wasn’t accepted. Too much time needed to develoo image expertise (for me). Markworthen (talk) 17:52, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

August 19[edit]

New user contribution[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if someone can take a look at the files uploaded by Maryana Fedoryshyn. Is this looking like self-promotion or out of scope? Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 05:29, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I am not sure, about scope but permission from photographer is missing, so filed nominated: Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Maryana Fedoryshyn. Regards, Yann (talk) 05:44, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Cannot figure out why internationalisation isn't working[edit]

In File:Гройсман і Луценко висловились у справі «Нової пошти».webm in description there should be first Ukrainian language and then Russian. But I see is that there is first a phrase "Одеська область" that doesn't even appear in the description code, and then Russian, Ukrainian language has disappeared. Can somebody please help me figure it out. ℺ Gone Postal ( ) 05:56, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

The Ukrainian prefix is uk not ua. No idea what {{ua}} is supposed to be. But it is fixed. --Majora (talk) 06:01, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Cheers, will fix my other uploads now. ℺ Gone Postal ( ) 06:02, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Abuse filter against harassment[edit]

I hate to do anything without account, but the pest is stalking my edits (alongside edits of several other users) and vandalizes in the wake of me, e. g. here. Let’s hope the pest doesn’t watch the village pump. Vandalism in images is more severe threat than persistent vandalism in the user space. IMHO the time to use abuse filter against certain actions by very new accs along the lines of this proposed filter, but not for the namespace 2, and with the focus on uploads rather than edits. It can be limited to deterrents against vandalistic uploads, but (for certain targets) booby traps also can be created. Opinions? 13:17, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

That is User:Liza Veniza AKA en:User:Тарас Тинус. It is best to report that user on m:srg.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 14:39, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
My opinion is that things like this would be a lot simpler if you took an actual account. - Jmabel ! talk 16:20, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I forgot, that page is semi-protected.   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 16:24, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

File:James O. Davidson.jpg[edit]

Subject file is wrong. This is James Oakley Davidson (1850-1916), not James Ole Davidson (February 10, 1854 – December 16, 1922) (I do have enough data to show it's wrong, both from the net and OTRS). So the question is - how can I move the file, without the commons bot updating all the various Wikipedia pages? I suppose I could delete it, and wait for the delinker bot to do it's stuff on Wikipedias, then restore a while later - or is there a better way? Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:10, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

@Ronhjones: Do you have a James Ole Davidson photo you could overwrite with?   — Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me 15:17, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
When I looked at this, I only saw it in use at seven places. I disambiguated the Wikidata entry and manually edited each of the articles. Guanaco (talk) 15:44, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I know it was not used in many places - but I was also curious to know what to do in such cases, it's not unreasonable to assume it might happen again with a lot more links. No images of James Ole Davidson, only found other James Oakley Davidson, which are a clear match. Ronhjones  (Talk) 15:52, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
@Ronhjones: You can Special:MovePage/File:James O. Davidson.jpg or right click+open new tab "Move & Replace". This should move the file without triggering Delinker/global replace. Of course, the articles will then either show the same image via the redirect or will be redlinked if you suppress the redirect. Then you could create a new redirect target or update/remove the links manually from Special:GlobalUsage.
I don't think any simple solutions exist for this particular task. Pywikibot has which solves local links to disambiguation pages. One could code an option for this, so the script uses Special:GlobalUsage and operates on all Wikimedia wikis. Guanaco (talk) 22:27, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for all your answers. I didn't know about the right click trick - sometimes the help pages are not that complete! I've only encountered one other similar problem in the last 5 years or so, so thankfully it does not seem to be that common. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:20, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Different colors?[edit]

Cleaned up.

I have downloaded File:Cyprus administrative.jpg from commons and open it with MS Paint. If I use Fill with color, not all the shape change color. But the original shape, before the user uploaded it to commons, had only one color. Xaris333 (talk) 17:53, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

  • JPEG format should never be used for an image such as this, but then again MS Paint should never be used. (Seriously, old versions of Photoshop, infinitely better than any MS Paint, are available legally for free.) -- Tuválkin 21:22, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Okay, in a more positive light, here’s a cleaned up version, reduced to the 38 colors actually used in wide swaths of the map (excl. antialiasing gradients and JPEG artefacts, but including colors used in boundary lines). Note that no pixel-level corrections were made!
You can edit the palette of this GIF file to change all occurrences of any given of these 38 color. That can be done with Photoshop, as mentioned, GIMP (a free image editor), and plenty other image editing software applications — just keep away from MS Paint. (This GIF made with Photoshop 7.0, released in 2002.) -- Tuválkin 22:17, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Canadian politicians[edit]

These uploads from user Chomiak1 are marked as Own Work but all of them are missing metadata info. These should be marked as missing permission and deleted? // sikander { talk } 18:15, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

The images have surprisingly small sizes. They look like thumbnails from a gallery on some website. Ruslik (talk) 19:33, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
None of them are coming up on Google Images or Tineye in any form. Many of them look like they were cropped from larger images (possibly taken by the uploader) - that may have nuked the metadata. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:38, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

August 20[edit]